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Lidija P Nagulov's avatar

Stories of SA of young boys always horrify me, and you are right, it is especially horrid because they are pushed to be 'proud' of it or think 'it's no big deal' so the processing can't even properly happen. It's a massive societal failure that needs correcting for sure.

I also think there are way more women than the internet would have you believe who are very much here for letting men be appreciated just for existing, for not insisting men need to bottle up every emotion or 'always be the strong one', for giving men space to gain the emotional intelligence we should have guided them to learn while they were kids.

It is such a weird situation, because it is definitely the patriarchy that created this problem. The whole gist of the patriarchy is 'we are strong and capable, you are weak and irrational and frail, so we will do the important things.' But of course that premise, which puts men in the positions of power, also now demands them to perform up to this position. So if a woman accepts the premise of the patriarchy - yeah ok, I am weak and feeble, you are strong and capable - it is only normal she then expect you to, like.... be that? Alright, let's see it! Where is the providing? Where is the protecting?

These two things are fundamentally at odds with each other - if we accept that yes, men too are human beings, men too can be scared, or not know what to do, or feel pressure, or not always be up to the task of carrying everything on their shoulders - we are automatically admitting that the main premise of the patriarchy is basically bogus. So the prison is self-made.

But that of course does not mean that a) some women don't buy into it - loads of women have supported the patriarchy historically, otherwise it would not have survived, and b) that a lot of women are not out here very much willing to accept a new arrangement that gives more equality to both sides. We stop being called the feeble-minded emotional irrational ones all the time, and you guys get to show emotion and sensitivity without immediately being whipped for it.

People think the patriarchy protects Men, but it does not. Patriarchy protects Masculinity. And any man who fails to perform said masculinity to some imaginary standard is trampled underfoot just as quickly as a woman, or a queer person, or anyone else deemed non-conforming. Patriarchy has never been for the benefit of all men. It has always only been for the protection of the privilege of a select group of privileged men. Which is why today we have so many people feeling extremely betrayed and let down by the world even though the patriarchy is still effectively everywhere. They think they're being screwed by the fact that women learned to wear pants and go to work and say 'fuck off' to guys they don't want to talk to. But they're not. They're being screwed by that select privileged few, who never cared about anyone else but themselves.

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Johanna Smith's avatar

By and large I don’t think we’ve ever lived in a world that promotes a healthy relationship between men and women. If it weren’t for sexual attraction, it’s not clear to me that men and women even like each other as people. Our roles have been carved out since the beginning of time. Straying away from those roles has brought about a tension that has never gone away. I think men have to go through a similar self actualization process that women have gone through. For men however it’s a focus on their emotional development, whereas women wanted to understand their efficacy outside the home and apart from being someone’s wife. Men need to understand who they are outside of being a provider and protector. Perhaps once we strip away how we’ve been socialized, we can finally see each other and actually get along.

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